NEW! SCORING SYSTEM!

[Angela]

OK folks,

With me advertising, and new members and perspective members interested, I think it's time for a change in competitions. I'd like your input on this.

I have some scenarios for managing competitions and I would love your thoughts.

WHO'S RUNNING THE SHOW?

1. Every member with a skater character must manage a competition, assigned by the admin.
1. a. The competitions must be managed by someone who does NOT have a skater in that particular competition.
1. b. For Worlds, Olympics, etc., the competition will be managed by as many members as there are disciplines (example, four), each doing a discipline of the competition.
1. c. Those members must manage a discipline of which they are not a part (EXAMPLE ONLY) (Lanie doesn't have any ice dance characters, so she would do that, Andy doesn't have any ladies, he would do that, Marsha doesn't have any pairs, and Stef doesn't have any men)

SCORING IDEAS

OK here's where it could get annoying for some. For RP purposes, I switched from the 6.0 to the CoP. When you read Cup of Russia '08 scene in Competitions you can understand why. So I'm not sure how everyone would take to that. But as for scoring in general, like in CoP each element would have a base value, and then those managing the competitions would use a number system to determine how well it was done, if it was done cleanly, etc. As in real life skating, highest total wins. I think it can work out well with more than one member bearing all of the burden of managing a competitions, hence my suggestions above. The elements' base values will be the same as they are in real life.

However we do allow some elements that have not been done; within reason of course. Example, quad Lutz, flip, and loop, and combinations that haven't been done such as 4sal-3t-3sal. Keep in mind the "within reason" part (hence no quad Axel).

For the artistic part, I think we can take into account the amount of description in the written program, choice of music, etc.

OK... I don't know if there's anything else offhand, so I yield the floor to my members for input and other suggestions!

[lanie]

So how will this work? We look up point values for elements for programs and assign them a base technical score? Then use a random number generator like the one I use at Williamston to determine how well the program was performed? Or what? This seems unnecessarily confusing!

Quite frankly considering I judge everything on Williamston by myself I wouldn't have time to do this too.

[fannie]

It's probably my French-Canadian side... but I don't get the whole concept..

It looks like a bit complicated for the number of players that we are here... i think... :s

[marsha]

Hey Angie,

I know what you are trying to do with your scoring system, but honestly you are making things a lot more complicated than they need to be. Even for the number of skaters that are competing your judging system would take a very long time to judge each skater.

Also I agree with Lanie. I ran a game for years and had to do competitions myself. I am not sure if it's reasonable to ask for your players to work for you...

[Angela]

Well, like I said this was all just scenarios/suggestions/brainstorming etc.

The amount of members may change, which is why I am trying to figure out other ways to judge instead of letting us say "Hey, I want so-and-so- to place 4th in NHK."

You wouldn't need to look up anything, if this were to be done; I would post values on the site so that way you wouldn't have to worry, same with the number generator, which would be one number generated per element for GOE.

You all make great points, it is a lot of work to run things by oneself, which is why I'm proposing we work together, and actually instead of members doing a full competition, I think I would rather have people do one discipline, that way it wouldn't take so long and it wouldn't be so hard.

I am going to start signup August 1st, deadline September 31, so if it is just us competing by then, we can wok out a different system that doesn't require so much work.

[lanie]

Well, we'd still all need to figure out the TES. So would you figure that out based on the programs posted or would we?

[Angela]

That is a good question, valid point. My goal is to try to avoid anyone being accused of favoritism, as I've seen so many admins being accused of that. So I don't really know what would work best... There seem to be benefits on both sides: if I do it then that saves the member doing the paticular discipline work, but on the other hand it would be interesting to see the different values people would give for the same program in different competitions as it is in real life...

Another idea is to go back to the "Hat" method, having a neutral 3rd party draw names of the competitors out of a hat and then write the order that the names are picked as the results. However, that is pure chance, so I don't know how well that would work.

[Angela]

I already talked to Marsha and Lanie about this scenario and I think it's great, but felt it a good idea to post it here just so you can get an idea of what I'm considering.

You guys won't have to do anything; it was merely my desire to avoid being accused of favoritism that I suggested that I have help with this. But I've decided the best idea is to handle the competitions myself, and do so as such:

I will use a random number generator for each element, write some comments that reflect itsresult, and then translate it to CoP using a kind of guideline that I will set up. That way I do all the work and you guys don't have to worry about a thing! To avoid being accused of favoritism, I will not type the random numbers, I will use screencaps so people can see the results for themselves!

Now I know that people would wonder how I would set up the guidelines. I will do some research and come up with a range. NBC for example has referenced just such a range to explain the scores to the uncomprehending viewing audience. 200+ is excellent, 150 is good, etc. So that's my proposal and I for one think it's a good idea. Of course I'd still like some thoughts, but so far that is what I am leaning toward.

[fannie]

Personnally... I think you will get burn out before the GPF....
Especially if you want to keep the pro competitions and cheesefests as well...

But it's just my opinion... if you want to do it, then do...

[Angela]

Haha well I'll try my best. That's all I can do I think. I can't come up with anything better and I don't really see any suggestions that could help me out.

That reminds me, I never gave any thought to pro comps. The scoring system for those will be 10.0. Same scenario though; random numbers and I translate the results to that. Cheesefests... I think I can use 6.0 for those.